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all buttons frozen

Post by dodgyrog »

hi my mx60 still functioning normaly its just that i can not get the menu screens up to check logs or adjust any thing , have tried all the four buttons in different combinations but no reaction cant get in the buttons are not responding, is this a common problem ? do i have to change the key pad?

all advice greatfully recieved
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by tallgirl »

Reboot it?

Remove all DC power (array and battery -- array first on the disconnect, last on the reconnect) and count to 30 in between turning off and turning on. It doesn't seem all that likely to me that the entire keypad died at the same time. If a reboot doesn't work, THEN it's time to consider problems with the keypad.
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by dodgyrog »

tanks TG will try that
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by billi »

Rog

I have the same problem only the display light is coming on when i push the buttons , nothing else i can modify any more

Did try what Julie said but no change .....

Its my second display failure in a Outback MX 60

Did you contact your supplier about warranty ?

Mine stays quiet after my two emails ](*,) , as far as i am aware it is not so easy to just get a replacement display ( or ?)

All the best and i hope everything else is working ok

Billi
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by bushshrike »

I have the same problem with my MX60 except this is only on the menu button which is non-responsive. I tried the reboot but to no avail.
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by jiminwis »

I have a similar problem. The buttons have been getting less and less responsive over time, and now don't switch at all. I think it is the switch mechanism wearing out or other switch mechanism problem. I never did care for these soft buttons switches, and now it appears that there is good reason.

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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by Justme »

Got the same issue with my FM80. I was waiting till winter to do some thing about it as I dint want to be without it for any length of time. But I thought I would email support to see if it was an easy swap & I could do it my self. Well just a few hours later I get a reply saying that they will send me one to swap out with mine so that I dint need to be unit less for any time.


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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by dodgyrog »

oops i have not been on this forum for a long time and have just seen all your replys on this topic, thanks and sorry to all for not following that thread up
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by jiminwis »

Outback told me that I would have to send my MX60 in to them and they would fix it for $163. They didn't say how long it would take, but anything more than a day is too long to be without the associated array of PVs charging my battery. Not sure what I will do, it sure is a nuisance not to be able to set the MX60 to do an equalizing charge or read any of the displays. I am not a happy camper.
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by billi »

I have to sent the MX away as well and pay for the repair , it took me a while to find out that the old MX has "only" 2 years warranty , and was thinking its 5 years like for the FM Models ](*,)

But not too bad here in my setup cause i can use second controller i have (FM80) to do the equalizing charge
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by littlehawk »

It appears there are some problems with these program buttons. This is not good.

I have had the same problems on my FlexMax80. It started out with one button going bad but I could get it to work by wiggling it around. Well now all 4 buttons have crapped out on me.

Honestly I did not like the soft button set-up when I first got my controller. I thought they were a bit cheap and didn't think they would last. I was right. I must admit I rarely used them...nothing more than quick maintainence scan once a day (maybe twice in winter) and I change my settings twice a year (for winter vs summer). So they really did not see a whole lot of use.

I went with Outback because of their impeccable products but I sure hope I can remedy this and hopefully not experience this problem again.

Is this a large-scaled problem and has any recall been announced?

Has anyone changed one of these "programming button-boards" out themselves?
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by jiminwis »

I haven't had mine fixed yet. No option was mentioned to me other than sending it in and spending $163. I had been thinking of getting another Outback controller and inverter when I expand my system, but I am reconsidering giving them any more of my money, if this is an indication of their quality and service.
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by littlehawk »

Jim, I called their tech support line and spoke with George @ 360-6184363.

I need mine fixed yesterday!...After speaking with George he put my replacement part in the mail today. I'd like to get some responses (I started a seperate thead) in regards to how easy it is to replace it. I am fairly handy (ex mechanic) so I do not think it's rocket science. Then again, ya just never know.
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by billi »

Hi , i got a replacement button pad sent by Outback (thanks) , but it seems a bit of an adventure to replace the old one .... has anyone done this before and does it help ?

Thanks Billi
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by dodgyrog »

hi Billi, how did you get on with the new button pad? i have get a new one as well, now we have lots of day light hours and good sun it seems i am over charging the batterys! not good, has anyone fitted a new pad yet, and what did the part cost?

all help greatfully recieved Rog
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by billi »

Have not installed it Rog .... my other FM 80 takes over the lead for final charge , so not in a rush to install the new Pad for the old MX 60 ....

I do not think that you overcharge your battery while the key buttons are not working , cause the "brain" needs no buttons :mrgreen:


Anyway hope you are fine

Best regards
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by Arizonabroadcast »

The problem is the tiny conductive dots on the back side of the rubber pushbuttons become non conductive.
Looks like many other users are having problems with this.

I have my Flexmax 80 on the bench with a power supply powering it.
It's not fun to remove the circuit board clips that hold it in but I used a small screwdriver to snap them off.

I can touch the circuitboard traces and every menu will work.
I cleaned the pads but it didn't work.

I wrote support and lets see what happens.

i wish Outback had the support team that had before they were sold.
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by Hotiron »

Concur with Arizonabroadcast--- it is the black dots on the silicone rubber.

I have 2 Flexmaxes that have lost button function. Bought and installed a new replacement board in one and the fan wouldn't turn on. Don't know what its problem is. Screwdriver in the RTS port does nothing, power up nothing.
I removed the silicone strip (containing the buttons) off the new board and installed it on the old board.
Reassembled and put unit back on line. It works fine now.

I bought this replacement board several months ago but hadn't been able to work on it till now.
It has the same button setup as the original build, no improvements.

I plan on trying a repair paint on the next attempt. Will paint the dots on one of the "old" strips.
Really disappointed to pay $150 on a "not a fix"
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Re: all buttons frozen

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With the pending arrival of my LiFePo4 batteries, I decided it was time to attack the MX60 Soft key issue.
Disassembly is straight forward until you try to separate the front/panel from the main circuit board. Seems to me the whole line of transistors have to be de-soldered to get them apart. Put it all back together...
I had an idea to "recarbonise" the soft key faces using pencil carbon and some type of glue or maybe even glued on aluminium (aluminum) foil to make the circuit complete.....Oh well I'll never know.
Can't find an authorised Outback repair location here in Spain so by the time I've paid the "fixed price" repair, plus "other spurious costs (there always IS with agents) and the postage both ways, I think I will be buying another solar controller, Victron or maybe ePever. The later products are lithium compliant from new.
Even my TriStar Morningstar 60 is lithium compliant (60 amps is insufficient for all my PV so I run 2 pv banks and 2 controllers).
I was hoping my new Mate 1 would override the display on the MX60 but RaySun has pointed it out it ain't that clever :-(
More money......but not to Outback....
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Re: all buttons frozen

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gazzer wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:07 am With the pending arrival of my LiFePo4 batteries, I decided it was time to attack the MX60 Soft key issue.
Disassembly is straight forward until you try to separate the front/panel from the main circuit board. Seems to me the whole line of transistors have to be de-soldered to get them apart. Put it all back together...
I had an idea to "recarbonise" the soft key faces using pencil carbon and some type of glue or maybe even glued on aluminium (aluminum) foil to make the circuit complete.....Oh well I'll never know.
Can't find an authorised Outback repair location here in Spain so by the time I've paid the "fixed price" repair, plus "other spurious costs (there always IS with agents) and the postage both ways, I think I will be buying another solar controller, Victron or maybe ePever. The later products are lithium compliant from new.
Even my TriStar Morningstar 60 is lithium compliant (60 amps is insufficient for all my PV so I run 2 pv banks and 2 controllers).
I was hoping my new Mate 1 would override the display on the MX60 but RaySun has pointed it out it ain't that clever :-(
More money......but not to Outback....
FWIW, the MX series is pretty old kit. When the MX60 was introduced, lithium batteries were a decade away from being available to the consumer market. The FM series of charge controllers work perfectly well with lithium. I use two FM80s with six SimpliPhi 3.8-48 LiFePo4 battery blocks and they work without drama. Of course, many other brands of chargers claim lithium compatibility so there's many options.
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Re: all buttons frozen

Post by gazzer »

Now: Having put the MX back together, I looked at the crux of the matter. The second from left soft button had become detached from the others. I extracted it and tested for continuity across the 2 black pimples, nothing! So I assume the loop inside the button is broken.
When I get a bit of time I'll find a way of opening it and making the circuit!
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gazzer wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:44 am Now: Having put the MX back together, I looked at the crux of the matter. The second from left soft button had become detached from the others. I extracted it and tested for continuity across the 2 black pimples, nothing! So I assume the loop inside the button is broken.
When I get a bit of time I'll find a way of opening it and making the circuit!
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