Briggs and Stratton acquires SimpliPhi

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Briggs and Stratton acquires SimpliPhi

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Uh oh !!!!

Or maybe not, I don't know....
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Hard to say. I'm sure B&S is looking at what Generac is doing and wanted to one-up the market.

Selling SimpliPhi through the B&S channels will be interesting.

Hopefully, Phi will stay Phi.
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raysun wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:10 pm Hopefully, Phi will stay Phi.
Hopefully. The machinations of corporations are often not in the best interests of the customers :roll: ...
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Sadly, the essence of a successful small enterprise often gets diluted in a takeover.
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I'd feel better if Kohler had acquired them.
https://smart.tigoenergy.com/p/pZXn7SZQyO45?date=2021-04-19
https://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/public/systems/Hctc107221
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Mike Curran wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:46 pm I'd feel better if Kohler had acquired them.
Amen to that.

Or Alpha.
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At a loss for words…
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sodamo wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:57 pm At a loss for words…
I know. One benefit. B&S has big pockets, Phi warranties might have stronger legs here.
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https://smart.tigoenergy.com/p/pZXn7SZQyO45?date=2021-04-19
https://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/public/systems/Hctc107221
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I posted on these new in an earlier thread. the point is to make power wall type products to ass to the B&S lineup like Tesla and Generac and LG have. This will mean new simpliphi products aims at different markets and more outside of California. It can't be good for solar people who do their own things.
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pss wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:17 pm I posted on these new in an earlier thread. the point is to make power wall type products to ass to the B&S lineup like Tesla and Generac and LG have. This will mean new simpliphi products aims at different markets and more outside of California. It can't be good for solar people who do their own things.
One good thing is Lithium batteries are rapidly approaching commodity status (if not in price, in ubiquity of availablity.) When I purchased my SimpliPhi battery it was with the notion that should I replace it in the future, SimpliPhi might not even be around.

I regard battery warranties as 50/50. If the battery breaks in half, you get to keep both halves.

As a brand, I like Energizer, I think their ads are passingly cute, but I buy Kirkland. I wouldn't be suprised to see 4 pack of Costco LiFePo4 on an ez-tote pallet some day. Maybe they'll stack 'em next to the $89 GC2 golf cart batteries. $89 for 6V 225AH or $890 for 12V 225AH. Can't wait to overhear the conversation of Vern and Marge as they try to puzzle out how in he!! a battery could be so expensive.
"Why it don't even weigh anything! I think its a ripoff Vern!"
"Oh Marge! That there's the demo. Ain't got nothing but cardboard inside."
"Yeah, but I'm not spendin' more on a battery than we did for our single-wide!"

I hope SimpliPhi stays in the small consumer market, but I, for one, am not planning a swan dive from lover's leap if they don't.
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It's not the availability of the batteries that's the problem. I am perfectly capable of going on Alibaba and purchasing CATL batteries and wiring them up. No. It's the darned UL certifications for safety and fire prevention for every battery and battery enclosure which is few and far between in USA. Without this your installation in California is illegal, a fire hazard, a potential wild fire in the making with property and life at risk. You can't get permitted to install anything without those uL certifications on everything.
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pss wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:49 pm It's not the availability of the batteries that's the problem. I am perfectly capable of going on Alibaba and purchasing CATL batteries and wiring them up. No. It's the darned UL certifications for safety and fire prevention for every battery and battery enclosure which is few and far between in USA. Without this your installation in California is illegal, a fire hazard, a potential wild fire in the making with property and life at risk. You can't get permitted to install anything without those uL certifications on everything.
Ah! Good point.

Are you saying there aren't all that many UL listed lithium batteries available?
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Correct. Simiphi made in California. UL listed batteries and enclosure. Similar lithium iron phosphate CATL battery maybe 20 percent of the price. No UL certifications in USA for battery and enclosure.
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pss wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:25 pm Correct. Simiphi made in California. UL listed batteries and enclosure. Similar lithium iron phosphate CATL battery maybe 20 percent of the price. No UL certifications in USA for battery and enclosure.
Surely SimpliPhi is not the only UL listed battery a consumer can self-install, is it?
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Other batteries are UL listed too, but the battery enclosure must also be UL listed and the combination of a specific battery in a specific enclosure UL listed as a whole.

Add to this that in many places in USA, no basements and electrical mains on outside wall of building or residence for first responders to turn off power. This means often the batteries and enclosures are in wide climate conditions and must also be nema 3r or 4 weather proof. Very few to choose from.
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