PS1 and Mate3

Mate3 and Mate3s communications devices for Outback Power
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shayesmilum
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PS1 and Mate3

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I have a PS1 system and would like to move it to an off grid system. Can I just upgrade the mate to a mate3 and change to an off grid use?
Thanks in advance
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Mike Curran
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My RE system: Outback - Garage roof:
- 8 (2x4) Evergreen 180's into one FM80 (2007/2020 - replaced MX60)
- 6 (2×3) ALEO S79-300's into one FM80 (2017)
- 2 grid-tied VFXR3524A-01's series stacked, replaced GVFX's (2020)
- 12 Surrette/Rolls 2V x 1766Ah (2007)
- Hub10.3, Mate3s, FNDC, RTS. Tigo ES maximizers on each PV module.

Westinghouse Solar - Barn roof: (2012)
- 30 (2x15) 235W panels with Enphase M215 microinverters, grid-tied

Outback Skybox - Barn roof: (2019)
- 14 Talesun 275W in series (DC array input to SB inverter/charger)
- 3 SimpliPhi 3.8 batteries, 48V, 225Ah total
- AC coupled input from 14 Talesun 275W, Enphase M215 microinverters

Battery systems operate in grid-tied, battery backup mode
All self-designed and self-installed
Location: Chagrin Falls, Ohio

Re: PS1 and Mate3

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I don't know what a PS1 system is but your Mate is perfectly capable of operating in an off grid system.
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My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A-01, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
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Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: PS1 and Mate3

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shayesmilum wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:36 pm I have a PS1 system and would like to move it to an off grid system. Can I just upgrade the mate to a mate3 and change to an off grid use?
Thanks in advance
Digging around the archives, the PS1-2500/3000 is an early 2000 vintage grid interactive pre-wired panel. I couldn't find any technical docs so can't cite any information to answer your question.

How does it operate when disconnected from the grid? Does the inverter continue to provide AC power? Does the system charge the battery from solar panels? Will the system accept AC power from a backup generator?

*EDIT* Found a manual: https://manualzz.com/doc/7178689/ps1-in ... 94-kb-pdf-

(Couldn't download it, but can be read on line.)
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Equipment list - GTFX or GVFX grid interactive inverters.

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Operation

I'd guess the thing to try would be disconnect the AC IN and see if it still runs (assuming battery bank is healthy.)

There's folks on the forum still running GVFX inverters, so there may be some similar operational experience to draw on.

Not sure if the system would be compatible with the current Mate3s, but references on line say the Mate3s is compatible with all Outback inverters. I do not believe the MX60 will communicate with the Mate3s.

You might want to look into adding an FNDC battery monitor. It looks like a shunt might be pre-installed for it.
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Mike Curran
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Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:28 pm
My RE system: Outback - Garage roof:
- 8 (2x4) Evergreen 180's into one FM80 (2007/2020 - replaced MX60)
- 6 (2×3) ALEO S79-300's into one FM80 (2017)
- 2 grid-tied VFXR3524A-01's series stacked, replaced GVFX's (2020)
- 12 Surrette/Rolls 2V x 1766Ah (2007)
- Hub10.3, Mate3s, FNDC, RTS. Tigo ES maximizers on each PV module.

Westinghouse Solar - Barn roof: (2012)
- 30 (2x15) 235W panels with Enphase M215 microinverters, grid-tied

Outback Skybox - Barn roof: (2019)
- 14 Talesun 275W in series (DC array input to SB inverter/charger)
- 3 SimpliPhi 3.8 batteries, 48V, 225Ah total
- AC coupled input from 14 Talesun 275W, Enphase M215 microinverters

Battery systems operate in grid-tied, battery backup mode
All self-designed and self-installed
Location: Chagrin Falls, Ohio

Re: PS1 and Mate3

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 I do not believe the MX60 will communicate with the Mate3s.
Limited to monitoring - cannot program MX60 operating parameters, that must be done from the MX60 panel.
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Re: PS1 and Mate3

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Thanks to all, I will try just disconnecting the AC and see what happens.
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My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A-01, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: PS1 and Mate3

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shayesmilum wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:43 am Thanks to all, I will try just disconnecting the AC and see what happens.
There should be an AC INPUT disconnect circuit breaker in the PS1 panel. Alternately, there may be an AC IN DROP command for the inverter, accessible vis the Mate.

I'd go with option 1 and open the breaker.
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Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:28 pm
My RE system: Outback - Garage roof:
- 8 (2x4) Evergreen 180's into one FM80 (2007/2020 - replaced MX60)
- 6 (2×3) ALEO S79-300's into one FM80 (2017)
- 2 grid-tied VFXR3524A-01's series stacked, replaced GVFX's (2020)
- 12 Surrette/Rolls 2V x 1766Ah (2007)
- Hub10.3, Mate3s, FNDC, RTS. Tigo ES maximizers on each PV module.

Westinghouse Solar - Barn roof: (2012)
- 30 (2x15) 235W panels with Enphase M215 microinverters, grid-tied

Outback Skybox - Barn roof: (2019)
- 14 Talesun 275W in series (DC array input to SB inverter/charger)
- 3 SimpliPhi 3.8 batteries, 48V, 225Ah total
- AC coupled input from 14 Talesun 275W, Enphase M215 microinverters

Battery systems operate in grid-tied, battery backup mode
All self-designed and self-installed
Location: Chagrin Falls, Ohio

Re: PS1 and Mate3

Post by Mike Curran »

I'd go with option 1 and open the breaker.
Agreed. With my previous GVFXs, dropping grid via the Mate command would result in reconnecting when the battery fell to the refloat or rebulk setpoint (I forget which). This would defeat my effort to do a periodic cycling of my battery.
https://smart.tigoenergy.com/p/pZXn7SZQyO45?date=2021-04-19
https://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/public/systems/Hctc107221
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