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JRHill
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Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by JRHill »

raysun wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:37 amThere's lots of days, even with fast charging (for lead acid) AGMs that its a challenge to get Absorb completed. My neighbor, who uses about 1/5 the power that we do, and has a similar system, though 1/2 the PV, is chronically undercharging his L16s. He will be due a battery change much sooner than would be necessary otherwise.
OK. I'm grinding my teeth.
raysun
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My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

JRHill wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:06 pm
raysun wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:37 amThere's lots of days, even with fast charging (for lead acid) AGMs that its a challenge to get Absorb completed. My neighbor, who uses about 1/5 the power that we do, and has a similar system, though 1/2 the PV, is chronically undercharging his L16s. He will be due a battery change much sooner than would be necessary otherwise.
OK. I'm grinding my teeth.
😂😂
raysun
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My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

Got my truck back from service. Going north to get my new gear.

Outback system in bypass. Running the house on the generator all day.

Wasting a day of PV harvest. Battery disconnected so the cable ends can be remade to fit the Phis.

Going to be a long day or two of disassembly/reassembly, but its all pretty straight-forward.
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36 Trina 280 & 16 Phono 250 in 48 volt array (fixed) 14080w
Radians GG8048/GS4048 w GSLCs
4 FM 80 charge controllers
Hub 10.3
FNDC w/3 shunts
Mate 3s
OpticsRE - MMKL - Ninole Hi
12 SimpliPhi 3.8
14Kw Kohler 14RESA Propane

Charging Only
2FX3048T
Hub
FNDC. - shared shunt feeds from Radian FNDC
Mate 3s
10Kw MEP 803a Military gen

Honda EU7000i

Davis VantagePro2 Wx Station
On line at: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KHININOL2
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Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by sodamo »

Exciting day, Raysun. Have fun.
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Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

It will be more fun than last time. That's for sure!

Aloha!
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JRHill
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Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by JRHill »

It's not fair that you should have that much solar available. There should be a law.
raysun
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Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

There is.

Like I used to tell my advanced ski students as I was teaching the fine art of skiing the steeps:
"Gravity. It's not just a good idea. Its the law."

We moved to a spot with adequate sun, just for this. Well not just for this, but it was in the mix.
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- 6 (2×3) ALEO S79-300's into one FM80 (2017)
- 2 grid-tied VFXR3524A-01's series stacked, replaced GVFX's (2020)
- 12 Surrette/Rolls 2V x 1766Ah (2007)
- Hub10.3, Mate3s, FNDC, RTS. Tigo ES maximizers on each PV module.

Westinghouse Solar - Barn roof: (2012)
- 30 (2x15) 235W panels with Enphase M215 microinverters, grid-tied

Outback Skybox - Barn roof: (2019)
- 14 Talesun 275W in series (DC array input to SB inverter/charger)
- 3 SimpliPhi 3.8 batteries, 48V, 225Ah total
- AC coupled input from 14 Talesun 275W, Enphase M215 microinverters

All self-designed and self-installed
Location: Chagrin Falls, Ohio

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by Mike Curran »

Post photos!
https://smart.tigoenergy.com/p/pZXn7SZQyO45?date=2021-04-19
https://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/public/systems/Hctc107221
raysun
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My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

I will, but always forget to take them until I'm done.

I should have taken a picture of the gear I picked up yesterday. 10 solar panels nicely strapped to a pallet, with the Flexpower Two on a pallet stacked on top of the panels! Admittedly the panel frames were bearing the weight just fine, but the 300+ lb FP2 was being held in place by gravity alone. I strapped the load in my pickup as best I could, but the 40 mi. drive down the twisting Mamalohoa highway was like I was carrying nitroglycerin.

Everything got home in one piece.
Mike Curran
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My RE system: Outback - Garage roof:
- 8 (2x4) Evergreen 180's into one FM80 (2007/2020 - replaced MX60)
- 6 (2×3) ALEO S79-300's into one FM80 (2017)
- 2 grid-tied VFXR3524A-01's series stacked, replaced GVFX's (2020)
- 12 Surrette/Rolls 2V x 1766Ah (2007)
- Hub10.3, Mate3s, FNDC, RTS. Tigo ES maximizers on each PV module.

Westinghouse Solar - Barn roof: (2012)
- 30 (2x15) 235W panels with Enphase M215 microinverters, grid-tied

Outback Skybox - Barn roof: (2019)
- 14 Talesun 275W in series (DC array input to SB inverter/charger)
- 3 SimpliPhi 3.8 batteries, 48V, 225Ah total
- AC coupled input from 14 Talesun 275W, Enphase M215 microinverters

All self-designed and self-installed
Location: Chagrin Falls, Ohio

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by Mike Curran »

the 40 mi. drive down the twisting Mamalohoa highway was like I was carrying nitroglycerin.
I know the feeling but my experience didn't end well.

I once transported 1200 pounds of FLA's on a converted boat trailer for about 30 miles. Actually I made it ~15, when crossing some RR tracks caused the tires to bottom out on the fenders. Acted like a brake and tore the trailer axle loose. Fortunately I stopped before losing my load but had to hire a tow to get everything home. Yikes!
https://smart.tigoenergy.com/p/pZXn7SZQyO45?date=2021-04-19
https://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/public/systems/Hctc107221
raysun
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SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

Yikes is right!
sodamo
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36 Trina 280 & 16 Phono 250 in 48 volt array (fixed) 14080w
Radians GG8048/GS4048 w GSLCs
4 FM 80 charge controllers
Hub 10.3
FNDC w/3 shunts
Mate 3s
OpticsRE - MMKL - Ninole Hi
12 SimpliPhi 3.8
14Kw Kohler 14RESA Propane

Charging Only
2FX3048T
Hub
FNDC. - shared shunt feeds from Radian FNDC
Mate 3s
10Kw MEP 803a Military gen

Honda EU7000i

Davis VantagePro2 Wx Station
On line at: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KHININOL2
Location: Ninole, Hi

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by sodamo »

So what’s plan? FP2, then Batteries, then new panels?
David
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JRHill
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Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by JRHill »

I love this thread. It's an example of an ultimate off grid project - one of several recent ones. One researches and tests and validates it and then builds it out further. Adds loads, maybe, but then doesn't ever worry about it except for the maintenance. What a cool validation of what can be done.
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Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by fcwlp »

raysun wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:00 am I should have taken a picture of the gear I picked up yesterday. 10 solar panels nicely strapped to a pallet, with the Flexpower Two on a pallet stacked on top of the panels! Admittedly the panel frames were bearing the weight just fine, but the 300+ lb FP2 was being held in place by gravity alone. I strapped the load in my pickup as best I could, but the 40 mi. drive down the twisting Mamalohoa highway was like I was carrying nitroglycerin.
At least your road is paved. I have 15 miles of washboard gravel road and 2 miles of forest road and driveway. On my tandem axle 16' trailer, I now screw the pallets to the wood deck and strap the loads down with either 3" or 4" straps and then check the straps at least three times on the gravel road. The road is so rough there are always a few screws holding down the wood deck boards that back out on the way to getting a load. Two tons of batteries or three tons of hay does reduce the trailer bouncing on the washboard section.

Keep us posted. I am getting ready to quote my first off-grid SimpliPhi system.
raysun
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My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

sodamo wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:45 am So what’s plan? FP2, then Batteries, then new panels?
The plan started simply, then got complicated by two interdependent projects.

I offered my existing system to a young friend, who in turn, promised his system to as friend of his to help pay for mine. Now we have a three-way system rollout going.

For mine, the FP2 is going up on the wall today, then I'll wire it in, swap the existing battery to it and get it configured. Once that's done, I'll commission the new battery. Finally, I'll put the new panels up, replacing older 335W panels with 440W units.

Somewhere in all that, we'll put the FP1 up at Will's and his old system up at Eddie's.

After that, I'm retiring from the solar install business.
raysun
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My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

20201006_160901.jpg
One milestone met. FP2 core chassis mounted on the wall. That puppy is heavy.

I'm going to install the FM80s and the Mate3s tomorrow. Have to run to town for wiring supplies to run leads in conduit from the PV combiner boxes, to connect the AC OUT to the house load panel, and to create a 'code compliant' connection for our generator.

The house circuitry is 120V single phase so the inverters will be configured to match. We have only tripped our 3kW inverter three times from overload, but it will be nice to have the extra 3kW reserve for when the microwave is running while my bride blow dries her hair and the 1HP water pump kicks on.

Since the EU7000 can produce 5kW all day, and can add 6kW inverter power in Support mode, maybe I'll get a laser plasma cutter and an arc welder to start a new hobby.

Once the setup is done, I'll hook the system up to the existing battery to get it configured and tested. The FP1 will be retired after a successful "shake down cruise" with the FP2.

My existing battery is housed in an Outback IBR-3-48 rack. The cable ends aren't compatible with the SimpliPhi battery, so I'm installing all new cables (and making some modifications to the rack.) I'm targeting next Wednesday to have the new battery installed and commissioned.

Some day within the next 10, the new 440W panels will be installed. That will be a fairly trivial process, as its a simple panel swap on a flat roof at 9' height.
sodamo
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My RE system: Totally off grid - Hamakua side, Big Island, Hi

36 Trina 280 & 16 Phono 250 in 48 volt array (fixed) 14080w
Radians GG8048/GS4048 w GSLCs
4 FM 80 charge controllers
Hub 10.3
FNDC w/3 shunts
Mate 3s
OpticsRE - MMKL - Ninole Hi
12 SimpliPhi 3.8
14Kw Kohler 14RESA Propane

Charging Only
2FX3048T
Hub
FNDC. - shared shunt feeds from Radian FNDC
Mate 3s
10Kw MEP 803a Military gen

Honda EU7000i

Davis VantagePro2 Wx Station
On line at: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KHININOL2
Location: Ninole, Hi

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by sodamo »

Sounds like a reasonable plan. So you are replacing PV, not adding to them ?
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raysun
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SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

I've got roof space for 18 panels, then it gets into a whole other construction project, so for now, replace what's on the roof.

I may add more panels in the future, to catch a southerly inclination, but I'll wait on that.
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SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

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Flexmax 80s mounted and ready to wire in.
Mike Curran
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My RE system: Outback - Garage roof:
- 8 (2x4) Evergreen 180's into one FM80 (2007/2020 - replaced MX60)
- 6 (2×3) ALEO S79-300's into one FM80 (2017)
- 2 grid-tied VFXR3524A-01's series stacked, replaced GVFX's (2020)
- 12 Surrette/Rolls 2V x 1766Ah (2007)
- Hub10.3, Mate3s, FNDC, RTS. Tigo ES maximizers on each PV module.

Westinghouse Solar - Barn roof: (2012)
- 30 (2x15) 235W panels with Enphase M215 microinverters, grid-tied

Outback Skybox - Barn roof: (2019)
- 14 Talesun 275W in series (DC array input to SB inverter/charger)
- 3 SimpliPhi 3.8 batteries, 48V, 225Ah total
- AC coupled input from 14 Talesun 275W, Enphase M215 microinverters

All self-designed and self-installed
Location: Chagrin Falls, Ohio

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by Mike Curran »

Looks very neat - nice job.

You say your new panels are 440 watts? Wow!
https://smart.tigoenergy.com/p/pZXn7SZQyO45?date=2021-04-19
https://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/public/systems/Hctc107221
raysun
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SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

Mike Curran wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:52 pm Looks very neat - nice job.

You say your new panels are 440 watts? Wow!
That's all the factory fabrication. I've only started to make a mess of it. LOL!

440W REC Alpha "Twin Peaks" 144 cut cell panels. I don't know what the half cell technology will do for me, but these are the most watts that I can fit on my roof. Expanding past that involves negotiating the WAF. She's been hinting for a new watch.
raysun
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My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

20201008_172734.jpg
DC side mostly wired, waiting for solar arrays and battery swap.

Its beer-thirty though, so finishing the wiring will have to wait until tomorrow.
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Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by Roy933 »

I offered my existing system to a young friend, who in turn, promised his system to as friend of his to help pay for mine. Now we have a three-way system rollout going.
it sounds like the beginning of a joke haha
a guy walks into a bar...
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SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
REC Alpha 440W panels - 2 arrays: each of 4 strings of 2 in series
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by raysun »

Screenshot_20201014-094019_Chrome.jpg
24 hours on the new battery. SoC 75%, overnight consumption ~ 110AH.

2/3 of my panel capacity came off the roof this AM - before it got too hot to be up there. There's no need to sweat and broil just to get the panels up to catch today's rays. Tomorrow is soon enough.

If the 2.1k array isn't enough to fully charge the battery today, it doesn't matter. There's more than enough reserve to carry through, and the battery likes a partial state of charge anyway.

I may be biased by all the money they cost, but I really like this battery already.
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Re: It's all fun and games..

Post by JRHill »

Mr Raysun, I couldn't be happier for your initial reactions to the new batteries. I thought I had heard that they backed off a bit from the warranty requirements I expressed some time back. From the current warranty doc it seems they have backed off from the system designer part with the documentation. But they still require a licensed electrician's ID/#. Ironically, they don't require that the electrician can demonstrate skills in RE systems. So what is verified are codes, wire sizes, connections, etc.. Gosh, haven't we seen examples of local electricians screwing up a system. But the wire was right!

I try to look at it from both sides. At the same time my 'ol bank is making the genset fire off three times a day - it should be once per day. But the gas is cheaper than batteries at this time. At the same time L16re-A or B's are hard to get Dang. This battery thing just keeps getting further into the woods. And, duh, that's where we live.

[copied and pasted if I took to long][and it took it!]

Jim
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