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The DW referenced an article this morning that said something interesting. It is illegal to run any gasoline powered outdoor equipment that has an ethanol content greater than 10%. Huh, really? I couldn't find a reference to legislation or a point to that law but I assume its Federal.

The "law" has no effect on me as I only run non-ethanol in everything but road vehicles. And, unfortunately, all I can get in my area is unleaded premium :-( I have long despised ethanol for several reasons but I run it were necessary mainly due to economics. Anyway, with all the generator talk of late I thought to throw this out.

https://www.opei.org/programs/ethanolwarning/
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I could find several sites stating use of > E10 fuel in outdoor power equipment is "against the law", but no actual citations. Sounds to me like a classic case of internet confirmation bias, where articles simply copy other articles' content, and do no fact checking.

In any event, my mechanic says not to use ethanol fuels in my Honda, so I don't. While Costco is 50 miles away, it has the cheapest "E-Free" gas on the island, so I fill my gas cans there when needed.

With lithium batteries, that need is far less than before, but I always keep an "apocalypse" supply on hand.
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raysun wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:15 am
I could find several sites stating use of > E10 fuel in outdoor power equipment is "against the law", but no actual citations.
If it IS illegal, I'm guessing the oil companies had something to do with it :eek: .....
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raysun wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:15 am I could find several sites stating use of > E10 fuel in outdoor power equipment is "against the law", but no actual citations. Sounds to me like a classic case of internet confirmation bias, where articles simply copy other articles' content, and do no fact checking.

In any event, my mechanic says not to use ethanol fuels in my Honda, so I don't. While Costco is 50 miles away, it has the cheapest "E-Free" gas on the island, so I fill my gas cans there when needed.

With lithium batteries, that need is far less than before, but I always keep an "apocalypse" supply on hand.
Interesting. Guess I missed when Costco got E0. Of course we only go 3-4 times a year. I get mine at HFN and use in both car and truck too.
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raysun wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:15 amIn any event, my mechanic says not to use ethanol fuels in my Honda
It's interesting to me anyway. And its not just the generator but the U/ATV, saws, etc. Since I went with pure gasoline I haven't had a single fuel system problem except in the log splitter (and that was the cap). That to me is Providence saying I need to get out and do something substantial. BTW, I still love splitting firewood by hand. For at least 20 minutes. Then I call the wife.

Provo: "If it IS illegal, I'm guessing the oil companies had something to do with it." How in the world does the fed get involved with warranty and performance issues, esp in this case. What BS. The DOTs have the fuel sniffers on the road: diesel. Now we will have the DNR coming out to sniff our fuel tanks in the generator?

Ahh, you propane folks! You can just laugh!
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BTW, I still love splitting firewood by hand. For at least 20 minutes. Then I call the wife.
Come over to Hawaii! We have a very nice guest cottage you can stay in gratis. (Comes with complimentary Catahoula for company.)

Try your hand at splitting Ohia. If you can last 20 minutes, you will be like a god to me!
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Hardly laughing. Fill last week
LP Quantity 103.10 gal
Amount $584.05
Only $5.66/g

Can I watch Jim split Ohia? I’d even bring beer.
When done in the south I have a nice fully contained off grid suite and an ever growing list. 😁
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sodamo wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:30 pm
Can I watch Jim split Ohia? I’d even bring beer.
When done in the south I have a nice fully contained off grid suite and an ever growing list. 😁
We will live stream it. All local kine invited to the hukilau. 😆 Beer is good.

We'll have EMTs standing by.

After Ka'u is done with him, he'll need some Hamakua rehab, I'm sure.
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OK, Hawaii people making fun of a state side guy. If Ohia is anything like cottonwood or worse, eh, no thanks. Thanks why God created log splitters.

So how does your Ohia burn? Clean? last a while? Can you cook with it?

Why don't you do the environmental thing and spread the stuff out on black sand with foil? My gosh, it wouldn't take long.
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Love it in my Primo cooker.
I used it to make trim and other accents when building the house and never threw away any scrap. Still have some. And one of these days still hope to do the high counter in ohia.

Just got this table last week which I believe is ohia, good match for our ohia posts
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That's beautiful, David.
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So how does your Ohia burn? Clean? last a while? Can you cook with it?
I burn ohia in my fancy Jotul wood fireplace. I can put in a proper sized load of fuel and it will throw heat for 10 hours. The embers will remain live for over 30 hours.

The Hawaiians make pit ovens called an imu. Ohia coals will cook as large a pig as you can find. Everything else in with it too.

I saw an ohia log split a hydraulic wood splitter.
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raysun wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:44 pm
So how does your Ohia burn? Clean? last a while? Can you cook with it?
I burn ohia in my fancy Jotul wood fireplace. I can put in a proper sized load of fuel and it will throw heat for 10 hours. The embers will remain live for over 30 hours.

The Hawaiians make pit ovens called an imu. Ohia coals will cook as large a pig as you can find. Everything else in with it too.

I saw an ohia log split a hydraulic wood splitter.
So this is a really slow growing piece of hardwood? Seems a shame to burn anything but scraps.
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The wood almost looks like it could be related to the madrona trees on the pacific coast..

And the local co-op has $1.89 propane Saturdays - bring that tank on down...
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sbrownian wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:02 pm The wood almost looks like it could be related to the madrona trees on the pacific coast..

And the local co-op has $1.89 propane Saturdays - bring that tank on down...
Similar appearance, but about ohia is about twice as dense.

Pacific Madrona- Arbutus menziesii is in the huge Ericaceae family, related to Heather.

Ohia Lehua - Metrosideros polymorpha is in the family Myrtaceae, related to Myrtle. It only grows in Hawaii, and is the single most important plant in the islands. It is the first to establish on lava flows. Interestingly, it is also the dominant tree in climax forests - unusual in that very few trees are the alpha and omega of a forest.
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OK, to get back to the post it would be a sin to gasify a motor with ohia although it would be a challenge for them to get you for escaping fuel taxes (wink). The table is beautiful.

What do you do with the twigs and a pocket knife? Somehow it would be handy with the generator.
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So this is a really slow growing piece of hardwood? Seems a shame to burn anything but scraps.
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This one stands outside my front door. Its growing on a 200 year old lava flow.

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The trunk is just less than 4' in diameter. It's maybe 75' tall.
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raysun wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:46 pm
So this is a really slow growing piece of hardwood? Seems a shame to burn anything but scraps.
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This one stands outside my front door. Its growing on a 200 year old lava flow.


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The trunk is just less than 4' in diameter. It's maybe 75' tall.
Darn trees. The trunk stays the same but they get taller. No wonder ya burn them.
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